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Son of Sam Connections in North Dakota Part II

John Charles Carr was born 12 Oct 1947  West Yonkers  NY.  He died 17 Feb 1978 Minot Air Force Base Minot, ND (at his girl friends house Linda O'Connor, who was married to a Airforce Man) to a gunshot to the head (Assumed Murdered). The police officials on the base ruled it a suicide, but has since believed otherwise. His parents were Samuel Carr (1912-1996) & Frances Erline Thompson (1922-2011)


Here is his Memorial on Find A Grave

John's Siblings


Michael Vail Carr & sister Wheat Carr


Maury Terry  Author of The Ultimate Evil was able to connect the 1978 death of John Carr at Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota to both the Process Church and Son of Sam murders. Carr, who was shot in the head at the home of his girlfriend, was initially listed as a suicide, but it turned out, John’s father, Sam Carr of Yonkers, was the inspiration for the term “Son of Sam.” Berkowitz told Terry the group likely killed John Carr, a user of illicit drugs and diagnosed schizophrenic, because of his bizarre behavior and the fact he was untrustworthy. Berkowitz also fingered Carr as one of the Son of Sam shooters. But was this the truth or fabricated??? Was Maury Terry just trying to sell a book? Listen to the Queens D.A. taped interviews and come up with your own answers. 


Michael Vail Carr was born 12 Jun 1952 in Yonkers West, NY and did have a wife I won't give her name as she is still living.

Michael was killed in a car crash in New York on 04 Oct 1979 He was born 12 Jun 1952 in Yonkers New York. The police report says there were no skid marks and looked suspicious. 

Here's Michael Carr's memorial on Find A Grave



The following is from Maury Terry:
Following his trip to Minot, N.D. Terry next traveled to Stanford where he retraced Arils Perry’s steps that led to her death. He concluded that as many as four people were involved in her murder, including Mentzer, and one or more cult members from Bismarck. Terry was of the opinion that Arils did something back in Bismarck that convinced the group she had to die. “She might have heard or seen something she shouldn’t have,” he surmised. “They may have feared she would expose them.” Either that or she discovered there was a person, or persons, involved in Satanism, who, if exposed, would be greatly embarrassed and possibly lose a position of authority. “Someone in Bismarck okay-ed this and someone had the hooks to get help on the West Coast. This was a pretty sophisticated operation,” he insisted. “I think one of them was the law firm visitor. And one of those two still lives in Bismarck, ND.” Did David Berkowitz lie about Arils Perry??? Or did Maury fabricate yet more for profit?


 Rumors were circulating in Bismarck about well-known men and women who were members of a Satanic club that sacrificed animals and drank blood. Brad King, a Bismarck dentist and former classmate of Arils Perry’s, recalled: “There were a lot of religious groups coming through town at the time. I remember seeing people dressed in priest’s outfits. But instead of white collars, they wore red collars and sported upside-down crosses draped around their necks. I think they were called the Holy Order of MANS.” Nevertheless, he wasn’t convinced Terry’s theories concerning Aris’s death were correct. King recalled being interviewed in his office by California detectives just before he attended his 10-year class reunion. “The police heard a rumor that someone in our class had set up an altar for her, but it was just a couple of photos of her along with other classmates who passed away,” he said. Around the time of his 30th class reunion, King called law enforcement officers in Santa Clara County to ask if there had been any breaks in the case, but was told there was no new information. Of Terry’s book, King said: “It didn’t surprise me that someone came out with some kind of conspiracy around her murder. I don’t know if I agree with the author that she was stalked from Bismarck to California. I remember a lot of weird religious stories going on around here in that time, like convents dancing under the full moon and rituals taking place down by the river bottoms. But in her case, I think she was at the wrong place at the wrong time.”







Michael Vail Carr  and a sketch of one of the shooters


Police Sketches and a photo of John Carr



Sketches from witnesses of shooters

I am appalled at our police officials across this land. It would be so much better if they would just work together and share information. IT's everybody's sandbox!!!!


Update another North Dakota connection to Son of Sam
'Organic farmers' jailed for making drug 'crank' Leading North Dakota "organic farmers" Barry and Serena Dossenko were sentenced May 31 on charges of manufacturing illegal drugs and tax evasion by federal district judge Patrick Conmy. Barry Dossenko was sentenced to four years on charges of manufacturing methamphetamine, known as "crank" or "speed" and his wife Serena to one year on charges of tax evasion. The Dossenkos have been identified to EJR as associates of the satanic Son of Sam cultist  
John Carr in Minot in the I 960s. Satanic paraphernalia was discovered on their property during the drug raids on their farm according to police. The prosecuting U. S. Attorney referred to Dossenko as a pioneer in the organic farming movement. They are activists who publish a newsletter and head an organic farming group called "Organic Futures," which sponsors meetings and seminars. They are active in the 'sustainable agriculture' circuit. A character witness for Dossenko was Dan Carlson, a University of Minnesota based geneticist who has invented a "miracle" fertilizer called "sonic bloom."
Source: Click here for Full Issue of EIR Volume 17, Number 24, June 8, 1990  


Here are photos of John Carr's house in Minot, ND. 12st SE & Eastern Ave



Here is a close up of the front window




Above is a photo they say is of John, the police said it was a suicide, but other experts do not agree as the weapon was a rifle with a clever action and there were satanic symbols found at the crime scene, supposedly, but Linda's taped interview has no such things mentioned in it. Is this another Fabrication or all out lie?


Above is a weapon like what was found at the crime scene, how could one shot themselves in the head with this??? John was left handed and short.

Here's John's Memorial on Find A Grave


 John's girlfriend at the time lived on the Minot Air Force Base.


Here's the link to John Carr's obituary




Ward County was in North Dakota not in South Dakota..the reported didn't get his facts right.
John Carr was married and divorced and had a kid who were they???? She lived in Texas at the time of his death, he went to visit her and he had called her before his death. She is alive so I will not post that here.


Missing persons Satanic Rituals: Bismarck, ND Michelle Julson and 3yr old son.

The CAVE where satanic worshiping was going in Bismarck before Arils left for California.



The son of Sam Challenges N.D. Lawmen:


Satanist still active in North Dakota


John & Linda were going to get married, he had took all his belongings back to NY and when he returned to Minot, he opened a new bank account and got a P.O. Box and went to the VA to get back into school to finish his classes to graduate. Does that sound like a man who would kill himself the next day?

This has been updated several times but here is new records found, Queens District Attorney's office taped interviews will shine new light on this case. Things I once thought to be true I no longer believe after listening to these interviews.
There tapes are a game changer









Comments

  1. John Carr's death was ruled a suicide. In January 1980, Michael Carr died while intoxicated and driving at high speed. Maury Terry was a lying hack who smelled money. Berkowitz is a paranoid schizophrenic who acted alone. The satanic cult was concocted by Terry and Berkowitz to cash in despite The Son of Sam Law and for Berkowitz to get attention that he desperately craves.

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    1. Thank you for your comment, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I however have my own. Thank you for reading my blog.

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    2. I think u r right about what ur saying in this but it's not done yet,so keep doing what ur doing get more information.UR DOING A GREAT JOB

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    3. Very few people still believe that Berkowitz acted alone; really only a few very old retired detectives believe it. The Satanic cult did exist and Son of Sam and the Carr brothers belonged to it.

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    4. I agree I am from North Dakota and I know they were there I saw them.

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    5. We had Devil Worshipers in Bismarck, ND I saw them....Yes they existed.... David did not act alone, look at all the composite drawings the victims gave..3 different men...strange how the Carr brother's sister worked at the police department in N.Y.

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    6. profile and composite sketches proves that more than one person was responsible in the killings. the only thing that were remained the same was the gun. for a man like Maury Terry to be a greedy money monger is just like a Satanic Cult member to discredit without any facts placed down on the table. opinions are NOT facts.

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  2. John Carr's death was ruled a suicide. In January 1980, Michael Carr died while drunk driving at high speed. Maury Terry lied. Berkowitz acted alone. The Process Church of the Final Judgement satanic cult came from The Manson books in 1971 and 1974 by Ed Sanders and the book Healter Skelter in 1974 by Vince Bugliosi and Curt Gentry and that group did exist but had nothing to do with this and was concocted by Terry and Berkowitz to cash in despite The Son of Sam Law and for Berkowitz to get attention. In the USA everybody always makes up all this bullshit just to make money because that's all the USA is all about.

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    1. Michael Carr died 10-4-1979 not 1-1980. according to some witnesses and at least 1 survivor, Berkowitz was not the man who shot them.

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    2. https://www.nytimes.com/1979/10/19/archives/inquiry-reported-into-new-theory-on-son-of-sam-elder-carr-was.html


      You can think Maury Terry was cashing in all you want but the story is not entirely ALL bullshit.

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    3. Yes John Carr's death was ruled a suicide But that don't make it so and there are plenty of other witness...read Before the Son of Sam, also see you Tube Video from Manny Grossman...

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    4. Thank you for pointing me in the direction of both of these sources. Yesterday was very fruitful communicating with Manny G about things I have personally seen with my own eyes in Yonkers.

      https://www.grandforksherald.com/the-vault/7029351-North-Dakota-link-to-notorious-Son-of-Sam-murders-part-of-new-Netflix-documentary

      You read this yet? Published yesterday.

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    5. Thank you for the Article I had not read it before, yes I have been watching the Netflix series

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  3. This is so interesting has anyone investigated this at all is there a book or story here?

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    1. Yes there is and a facebook group called Son of Sam North Dakota connections

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  4. We have been reviewing the complete Ultimate Evil story and adding new information to it on our podcast this season https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMnVLP1dcsOCNQEudrNsdsQ/

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  5. thanks for doing this post it helped in some of my own research. Appreciate the good work. Cheers.

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  6. Bismark Dentist and friend of Arlis Perry, his dental partner Mark Persson was found shot to death and a rifle range in 2005. Police determined it was a suicide.
    https://bismarcktribune.com/news/local/mandan-man-found-dead-at-rifle-range/article_cb9f07ba-c518-5e28-9bf5-f8ff9881c019.html

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  7. the last police officer who worked this case just retired as a captain believe it or not, he was a rookie working in the radio room with wheat Carr at the time. he told me he wrote a book about the Sam case ( don't know if it's published ) I'm from Yonkers and remember when this went on.

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    1. Thank you for your comment. I have spoken to the police officer from Minot, ND who worked on the Carr suicide/murder..He always knew the guy was murdered... I started a Son of Sam GROUP ON Facebook...North Dakota Connections...there is so much info still out there.

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    2. Correction the Facebook group is called Son of Sam : Real Connections

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    3. Hi I'm wondering if you got any information from USAF since it happened on base. Have you tried the FOIA on Minot air base. The base was highly restricted and entry was recorded on ledgers so maybe you can try that. If you can let me know what you find out regarding the USAF helpfulness. I was there then and we were instructed not to speak of this but that was a long time ago and maybe I could provide some insight.

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  8. I can’t locate the FB group. What is the exact name?

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    1. https://www.facebook.com/groups/494635698088438

      Son of Sam: Real Connections

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  9. Son of Sam did NOT act alone.
    And I can prove it....
    Maybe some day.
    Or not.

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    1. Come join our group on Facebook: Son of Sam: Real Connections

      https://www.facebook.com/groups/494635698088438

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    2. I would love to hear your thoughts you can email me

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  10. the writing on the wall refers to mr. williams. is there a connection with williams county? it has a rather high crime rate in north dakota.

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    1. It very well could be, I have not researched this but shall check it out. Thank you so much for you pointing that out.

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    2. No it doesn't, It is a hole in the ground at Untermeyer Park in Yonkers, it has since been sealed up

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  11. What I want to know is in the picture it looks like almost his whole head is blown off. When they did the autopsy how did they know it was a five foot nine body when it was supposed to be five foot eleven? Even if only a good part of his head is blown off how can they determine for those 2 inches? They claim it's possible that he just disappeared and traded a body with somebody else but if part of his skull is missing how did they know for sure it wasn't 5'11"

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    1. I forgot to add a? On the end

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    2. I will never believe he is still alive somewhere. He was murdered, he knew too much the Cult was pissed...Have you read Maury Terry's book??? there is also a book called Before Sa of Sam which is the history of Occult activity in Yonkers before all this. Also check You Tube Manny Grossman videos lots of great new info there he interviews a cop and a victim recently just this year.

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    3. Oh I don't believe he's alive either. My point was if a good part of his head is missing then how in the world would they know that the body was only 5 ft 9 in when it's supposed to be 5 feet 11 in? And I'm already subscribed too Manny Grossman's Channel. Actually that's where I heard this information from it was a short video he did on the grave of John Carr. It's only about 15 or 16 minutes usually his videos are longer. No I certainly don't believe he's still alive but Manny had mentioned in one of his videos about a creepy guy telling him that John carr I was living in New Hampshire somewhere. But no I definitely agree he's not alive. I certainly would hope not anyway I just couldn't help but to be curious how they came up with the two inch discrepancy in height? Just makes you wonder that's all. I haven't read the ultimate Evil yet but I do plan on it.

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    4. I agree, I would like to see the autopsy report and photos

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    5. You should reach out to Manny directly. I know he was recently doubting if John Carr and DB actually knew each other. If you know people who actually saw DB with John in ND... please make that introduction. That change things quite a bit. Manny has found some holes in Maury's theories and tactics, but I don't buy the lone shooter theory myself. This could provide some interesting perspective if there are actual witnesses.

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    6. They're were other connected individuals locally who narrowly avoided attempts on their lives around the same time. In one instance, someone tried to run a vehicle off the road ... just like how the other Carr brother died.

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  12. I am talking about John Carr of course.

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  13. Is there any documentation of the address that John was killed at on the Air Force Base? I'm curious because I live there too as a child and I'm just wondering how many doors down I was when this occurred. Thank you.

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    1. I found the answer. His girlfriend Linda O'Connor lived on Liberty Loop. I lived on E street, which was super close. The street names are different now, but I found an old map online. I looked at a present day aerial photo of that area and Liberty Loop is gone. It's basically a big back yard/small field.

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    2. It was in the newspaper where he was killed...Also in Maury Terry's book. Yes Linda was his girlfriend at the time it was her place he was killed at.

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  14. I just talked to my mom about this to ask her if she remembers any of this living on the AFB. She told me there was a stalker/rapist going around at that time. She thinks he worked on base and somehow had access to house keys. He would find out the husband's shifts and then stalk and rape the wives when they were alone. She remembers this because one night when it was super late, our dog started going crazy barking and running between the dining room window, which was at the back of the house and the back door, which was in the kitchen. She called the cops and there was footprint evidence that someone was outside under the window and also on the back porch. She doesn't remember there being anything in the news or official, but it was a known thing to the residence on base and the "wives club". I'm curious if you've heard about this and if it has any connection.

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    1. I have not check this story out but I sure shall thank you. I knew John had been in trouble several times in N.D. I will do some searching. Thank you

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  15. Would she know what year this was would help me look stuff up thank you

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    1. I looked through the newspapers.com website and I did not find any Minot or any other newspapers about this I am going to post this in my Son of Sam: Real Connections group on Facebook see if anyone remembers this

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  16. 1977, 1978ish. I've been googling all damn day and haven't found anything.

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  17. Thank you very much for posting this, it is a very good read. I wonder why Minot AFB decided to get rid of Liberty Loop? All of the other old roads seem to still be around. Also, have you looked into the satanic temple that was found on the base in the 1970's? There are a few posts on the r/AirForce subreddit you might appreciate. Just search son of sam on the page

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    1. Mason, thank you so much, I will check that out as I was not aware.

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    2. Historical back issues of the Minot Daily News hasn't been digitized yet (it's a travesty because our local library has been putting-off that project for years).

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  18. I like what I see. Funny that Dossenko is a Ukranian name and the Carr family has a Ukranian /Russian heritage.

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    1. Carr's Grandfather came from Austria and his name was spelled Czar

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  19. Yeah. The newly released Queens DA tapes show Maury Terry fabricated the whole Minot - Son of Sam connection. And Arlis Perry’s death had nothing to do with SOS or Berkowitz.

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